El Rancho Flats was Deneuve’s first project with the Jefferson County Housing Authority. The project included two buildings with a total of 55 walk-up units. The units ranged between 1 and 3 bedrooms to help provide housing solutions for residents in Evergreen and its surrounding areas. The large site provided space for playground equipment as well as a play-field. The project required expansive blasting of bedrock to achieve a level site.Back
Architect: The Cunningham Group
Owner: Jefferson County Housing Authority
Contract Amount: $11.7 Million
David came to Deneuve in 2004 having previously worked for another leading Colorado General Contractor. He has a BS degree in Architectural Engineering and an MBA from the University of Colorado. He has been involved in a wide range of construction projects including library, office, live/work, retail, medical, mixed-use, multifamily, affordable housing, museum, education, light industrial, restaurant, recreation, theatre, and historic renovation. At Deneuve, he has advanced through the ranks from Preconstruction Manager to Vice President and now to his current role of President and Owner. As President, David is accountable for all Deneuve operations and strives to make sure that Deneuve delivers the exceptional performance that underpins our reputation. When he isn’t working, he skis, bikes, fishes, plays hockey, and works on home improvement projects, which always come in over budget and behind schedule.
Deneuve’s inquisitive founder has been interested in the way buildings are designed and assembled since his formative years. After a degree in Psychology at CU, he began building restaurants for the ‘founders’ of the Boulder scene back in the 70’s and quickly, Deneuve Construction was born. With his keen eye for building details, he has developed a reputation of quality construction and design in Boulder and within the 14 states that Deneuve has worked. Phil’s esteemed reputation is not only as a general contractor, but also as a Civic Leader with his endless hours of pro bono participation over the years through the City Planning board, Central Area Improvement District, Boulder Chamber of Commerce, Downtown Management Commission, the Boulder Urban Renewal Authority, and the Chautauqua Board, just to name a few. Deneuve thrived under his direction and vision, and in his new role as Executive Advisor he continues to support the company through the ever evolving construction industry.
Matt is a fortunate Deneuve win, leading our growing force through Operations Management, and contributing to the expansion of our talents and territories. Another Colorado native, Matt received his education from Colorado State University in Fort Collins, in Construction Management. He has focused on the Colorado commercial construction industry since early 2002 and presents a diverse and accomplished portfolio including: Medical Office Complexes, Fire Stations, Charter Schools, Breweries and unique Office Facilities, all up and down the Front Range. He excels in integrated delivery methods, and is familiar with aligning team priorities resulting in the creation of exceptional, successful, projects. Matt enjoys learning how to play Superheroes with his son-teaching him to ski, ride a bike, and just be a little boy. Matt also enjoys skiing, hunting, live music and trying to play his own music on the piano and banjo. Oh, how could we forget – walking the plains in search of delicious birds, offering the stress balance needed.
Melissa joins Deneuve with a diverse background in the construction industry. She earned her BS degree in Business Administration and has an MBA in Accounting. Melissa began her career with a subcontractor in her hometown, and has grown in the accounting field, to become a Controller in the building and development of both commercial and residential projects. Melissa relocated from Southern California, and while she misses the beach, she is learning to appreciate life in the mountains. Following her family, Melissa has two brothers who graduated from CU Boulder, so while she is relatively new as a resident, she has spent a lot of time in Colorado. Outside of work, Melissa enjoys spending time with family, being social with friends, and exploring local events.
A Pennsylvania native, Marty’s fascination with construction came at an early age, and most recently has been very diverse. After graduating with a BS degree in Civil Engineering from Virginia Tech in 2012, he spent a couple of years working with heavy civil and residential contractors, along with performing small remodels and handyman projects on the side. After spending a summer working maintenance on a ranch in Durango, Colorado, he was lucky to find a home with Deneuve as an Estimator. With an engineering background and construction experience, he is focused on Deneuve’s promise to excellence and client satisfaction. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys snowboarding, hiking, biking and camping. He is most talented at spending money on tools and procrastinating on personal repair projects.
Originally from Virginia, Chris graduated from Virginia Tech with a degree in Structural Engineering and has since worked with both construction and design companies. He now uses his diverse work experience to be an effective estimator. The draw of the Rockies brought him to Boulder, and he is excited to see buildings go up around town as a result of his efforts. Outside of work, Chris will most likely be found enjoying an outdoor adventure in the mountains with his wife and friends, or in the garage tinkering on a new woodworking project.
Dina started at Deneuve through a temp agency and then became a full-time employee. Over the years as a temp, she acquired a vastly varied set of skills and experience and has proven to be an asset to our company. She is reliable, competent, and trustworthy. If you need anything researched, found, or calculated, she is more than willing to help in any way possible. She enjoys spending time with her husband and two grandchildren as well as working in the garden getting her hands dirty.
We welcome Sara to our Deneuve Construction Team! Sara has over 22 years of experience in the construction accounting and project management departments, as she has been employed with several contractors throughout the Northern California and Northern Texas areas. Her familiarity with industry accounting systems is a tremendous asset in acclimating to our established, cohesive financial group here at Deneuve. She just recently found her way to Colorado, along with her husband and daughter, to relocate closer to family. She is always ready to help, and no job is too little or big for her to tackle. Sara is reliable, open minded and a positive thinker. She enjoys being outside with her family, cooking, exploring new places, and listening to music and podcasts.
Deborah has lived in Colorado for a lifetime, although her roots are from the East coast. After graduating from the University of Colorado, Boulder, she was still so smitten with the uniqueness of this college mountain town, that it was officially claimed as home. For a few decades to follow, she became entrenched in the Printing/Marketing Industry, quite by happenstance. Heartily welcomed to Deneuve as accounting/administrative support staff, Deborah is enjoying the opportunity to help keep internal office projects flowing smoothly. In real life, Deborah appreciates the big three – family, friends and church. She does yearn on occasion for times happily spent on a sunny beach (pretty much anywhere) and “Jeeping”.
Erik came to Deneuve with 23 years of commercial construction experience and has significant skills supported by US Green Building Council Leadership in Energy Efficient Design Accredited Professional designation; ABC Excellence Award (Associated Builders and Contractors); and a nomination for Superintendent of the year from the American Subcontractors Association. He has been building projects in the Denver metro area for the last 19 years and lives in the mountains with his three daughters. In his spare moments, he spends time outdoors teaching his girls, fishing or hunting, or at home cooking up great meals.
K C has enjoyed managing a diverse range of projects types throughout Colorado over the past 10 years; from Laboratories, Hospitals, Higher-Education Campus’ and Parking Structures to Senior Living Facilities. He brings to Deneuve a wide range of hands on experience and is always ready to tackle any project, regardless of the hidden challenges yet to be revealed. K C graduated with a Degree in Construction Engineering Technology from Montana State University and has also earned a Certification of Associate DBIA from the Design Build Institute of America. He and his wife Maggie enjoy all that the Colorado seasonal outdoors have to offer, including hiking, camping, and hunting. They are true sports fans as well as they tailgate in spirited support of the Broncos! They also schedule as many live concerts as they can fit in. Well rounded leisure time is key.
Devin is another Colorado native! He graduated from the self-proclaimed “Harvard of the Rockies” (CU Boulder) earning a BS degree in Economics, with an emphasis in Business. Despite his choice in degree, Devin’s passion has always been construction, finding himself drawn to the tangible aspect of the industry. Devin came from another respected Colorado contractor, where he spent 7 years in the field building everything from luxury apartments to memory care facilities. The combination of field experience and analytical education provides him with a unique perspective of construction project management. When not at work, you will Devin anywhere but indoors as he enjoys spending as much time as possible mountain biking, hunting and camping.
Trip joined Deneuve in 2019 as an Assistant Project Manager after graduating from LSU with a degree in Construction Management and working with a general contractor in New Orleans for two years. With an energetic spirit, a positive mindset, and an eye for continuous improvement, Trip brings a unique contribution to the teams he works with and to the construction industry. Outside of Deneuve, Trip enjoys staying active with his dog and exploring everything Colorado has to offer from the city to the mountains.
Wesley and his wife, Logan, moved to Colorado from their home in Alabama shortly after their marriage in May of 2018. Wesley attended the University of Alabama where he graduated with his BS degree in Construction Engineering. After working in Civil Design for a short time, he was quickly drawn to the pursuit of a career in the more active, hands-on, construction industry. He is eager to contribute to Deneuve’s growth and success in his role as Assistant Project Manager. He is looking forward to working with a diverse group of people, contractors, and projects in the beautiful State of Colorado! Off the job, Wesley and Logan enjoy attending the Rockies games (as avid baseball fans), fly-fishing, skiing, and taking advantage of all the outdoor recreation that the Front Range has to offer.
Deneuve welcomed Eric to join their management team providing support and oversight on some of their recently awarded projects. He received his formal education from Colorado State University with a Construction Management degree in 1992. Since then, he has worked on a diverse mix of commercial projects ranging in both size and complexity (permanent supportive housing, healthcare, cleanroom, mission-critical projects, hotels, casinos, aviation, warehouses, assisted-living campuses, and fast-track/design-build projects for the Department of Defense). While this journey has provided “suitcase” opportunities working on projects in several states over the years; he always finds the way back home to Colorado! His interests outside of work include scuba diving, flyfishing, and cycling
Maredith, a girl born and raised in the greater Seattle area, recently made the big move to Colorado, and hasn’t looked back. Just after graduating from the University of Montana, she began her journey working in the flooring industry, responsible for their AP and various administrative roles until landing Project Accountant. Her positivity and willingness to learn new things is a great addition to the Deneuve team. When she’s not at work, you can often find Maredith at a brewery, the park with her dog, or in the mountains hiking or learning to snowboard.
Pablo came to Deneuve in 1994 with some college education in Engineering and an associate degree in Internal Combustion Engines. He started as a laborer, and through hard work and enthusiasm, he was trained trained him to be a Carpenter. He quickly learned about all the trades and was soon running small jobs and a Superintendent himself. He has proven himself to be one of Deneuve’s most reliable and competent superintendents. He has been involved in residential and commercial projects including grocery stores, luxury town homes, apartment buildings, banks, restaurants, recreation, retail, historic renovation and automotive shops. When he isn’t supervising for Deneuve, he works on home projects, helps friends with their endless small home projects (that his wife so generously volunteers him for) and spends time with his children and grandchildren.
Jay is one of those rare breeds lucky enough to claim being a Colorado Native, specifically from the mountainous Front Range. He attended Colorado State University and graduated with a degree in Natural Resource Management in 1997. He worked as a Wilderness Ranger for the Forest Service, building trails and bridges in the summertime and Ski Patrolling at Copper Mountain in the winters. He then turned his sights toward year-round construction. He has worked as a trim carpenter, framer, and as a Field Superintendent where he developed his knowledge of the industry through construction management. Jay has been a Superintendent since 2006 and has managed projects for 14 story hotels, student housing, historical renovations, and many multifamily structures ranging from North Carolina, West Virginia, and now to Colorado. He now resides in Boulder County with his wife and son.
Jim has been a great addition to Deneuve's growing team. With over 39 years experience as a job site superintendent, Jim has built projects in 7 states on sites as diverse as a 5 story building for Marquette University to a stream bridge, leading to the entrance of John Denver’s Ranch in Colorado. Jim enjoys bringing owner’s dreams to successful completion. His educational roots began at Oklahoma State University and CSU where he primarily studied Geology and project management. In his energetic youth, as an outdoors enthusiast, Jim was a backpacking instructor in Rocky Mountain National Park. He is an avid hiker of Colorado’s 14-ers, and enjoys snow skiing, river rafting, bicycling, camping, and hanging out in fire lookouts. Music and movies are also his more relaxing pastimes.
Ben is the definition of “hometown grown”. Born and raised in Boulder, Ben knew that the best place to pursue a degree in Engineering was the University of Colorado. After completing his degree in Mechanical Engineering, Ben started his own business, Benjamin Frederick; a licensed contractor that focused on custom carpentry and home renovation projects. His time as a Site Superintendent with a local commercial renovation contractor gave him the experience to step into his role with Deneuve as a valuable team member. When not working, Ben can be found on the disc golf course or adventuring with his lady, Jacquie, and their dog, Bruce.
Kory is yet another native of Colorado. Born and raised in Denver, he currently resides with his family in the suburbs of Fort Collins. Kory graduated from Colorado State University with double majors in Cultural Anthropology and History. He took a grand leap into the construction industry and has been residing there for the last 20+ years. From his early days in the finishing trades to working in tandem with several local General Contractors, he has built his way up and down the entire Front Range. We are pleased that he settled here. His diverse site responsibilities through the years progressed from Foreman, to Project Manager and Site Superintendent. Being outdoors, coupled with plenty of commotion and schedule coordination, seems to keep Kory challenged as the perfect fit all around. He is an outstanding asset to our growing construction team and we are grateful to have found him. In his real life, outside of work, he enjoys spending time with his wife and 3 sons.
Eric is a native, simply stated. He was born in Boulder, raised here and completed his education here. He graduated from the University of Colorado with a double major – International Affairs and Environmental Studies. Prior to that aggressive educational endeavor, he worked in the construction industry during his summer breaks. His background was quite diverse, as he took a brief hiatus to coach High School baseball. Returning to team up with a local general contractor, Eric quickly climbed the ranks and spent the previous 6 years working steadily as a commercial Site Superintendent excelling in Education, Medical Office Facilities and Commercial TI projects. He settled into what he enjoyed most and we are pleased to welcome Eric to Deneuve. Having recently relocated to help head up projects in Routt County, free time finds Eric and his wife Amber fly fishing, chasing big game in the high country or kayaking in the Flat Tops. We are looking forward to their hosting a BBQ one of these days very soon.
Originally from Virginia, Chris moved to Colorado after graduating from East Carolina University. He received a BS degree in Design with a double concentration in Architectural & Mechanical Technology as well as a Business minor from the College of Engineering and Technology. He has been involved in a number of projects in the manufacturing sector and would like to turn his focus to the construction industry. Chris enjoys working out, sporting events, concerts, and almost every outdoor activity.
Bryce is yet another favored Colorado native who went on to receive a BS degree in Construction Management from Colorado State University in Fort Collins. He is a young-new hire looking forward to contributing to the successful completion of projects for Deneuve and to learning from the rest of the Deneuve Team. His experience has come from commercial tenant interior projects in the greater Denver area. When he’s not working, he’s hiking with friends, snowboarding in the mountains, or taking a much-needed nap. He attributes his passion for construction from his grandfather who was a well-respected home builder in Des Moines, Iowa.
Keenan is a Colorado native and Colorado State University graduate where he earned a BS degree in Construction Management with a Business Administration minor. He recently began his construction career with Deneuve and is looking forward to the many new experiences to come. Like most Colorado residents, Keenan is an avid skier and spends most his time searching for powder in the various ski resorts throughout.
Originally hailing from Louisiana, Connor’s time in the Boy Scouts as a child sparked a passion for nature, as well as construction. Knowing he’d eventually like to live somewhere he could pursue both in depth, he graduated from LSU in Construction Management and made his way to the Lowcountry of South Carolina. There he worked for a general contractor with a focus in K-12 and Higher Ed. projects. Never forgetting his desire for the outdoors, he made the recent move to the Denver area. Here he is pleased to bring his experience to the Deneuve team, as well as experience everything Colorado has to offer. In his leisure time, Connor enjoys all to do in the mountains, going to the gym, hunting out the best new foodie spots, and spending time with his fiancé and their two dogs.
Zach was raised in a nomad lifestyle, uprooted often, calling the entire country, Home. A true “Navy Brat”! He attended Santa Clara University where he earned a BS degree in Civil Engineering, with a Structural focus. After over 7 years in the construction industry working for a variety of General Contractors from California to Connecticut, he found his way back to Colorado in the summer of 2021. He was fortunate enough to gain first hand experience in a very wide range of diverse construction projects, welcoming the challenges that each unique opportunity afforded. When not at work, there is a good chance you’ll find Zach swimming, biking or running around the many incredible natural outdoor explorations that Boulder has to offer.
Kate joins Deneuve Construction with an extensive background in Accounting, spanning many diverse industries including private, domestic and public international companies. She earned her Associates and BS degrees in Accounting and Business Administration and has completed her Series 7 and 63 licensing. Kate worked her way up the corporate ladder and has primarily served as a Corporate Controller. She relocated from Marin County California 12 years ago. While she misses ready access to San Francisco, the Wine Country and the coast, she feels that Denver, the Rocky Mountains, and an abundant seasonal supply of fresh powder more than make up for the lack of immediate access to recreational water! Kate has 3 wonderful sons who have enjoyed growing up in the Centennial State. Outside of crunching numbers Kate enjoys spending time with her kids and her 2 dogs, practicing yoga, and remotely remodeling her California home.
Born and raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, Nick moved to Colorado to study Construction Management at Colorado State University. He loved the climate, people, and scenery so much he decided to stay after graduating and start his new life along the Front Range. Nick loves being a part of a Team that can stand back and be proud of something they helped build once the job is complete. When Nick is not working, he is wrenching on his go karts and competing in karting championships.
A Colorado Native, Jason stuck close to his roots, graduating from Colorado State University in Fort Collins. After switching between several majors, he discovered what he was truly passionate about, and earned a degree in Construction Management, with a minor in Business Administration. Like many others growing up in Colorado, Jason is an avid outdoorsman. He enjoys exploring all of Colorado’s beautiful National and State Parks where he spends his time camping and fishing. On the more adventurous side, Jason has never been one to shy away from things others wouldn’t dream about. This has pushed him to try many activities such as skydiving, backcountry hiking, crewing a sailboat around the Bahamas and canoeing the boundary waters! When not in the mountains or fishing the lakes, he enjoy working on DIY projects, time with family and friends, concerts at Red Rocks, and cheering on all of Colorado’s sports teams. Jason is excited to be joining the Deneuve Team, and eager to learn all aspects of the industry, first hand.
Daniel’s roots anchor his history in Greeley, Northern Colorado. After serving for 4 years in the Marines as a generator mechanic, they pulled him back to Colorado to continue his education in Construction Management. He completed that program at CSU in Fort Collins, and continued to work his way slightly South, still entrenched in his home State. His original construction training with a local General Contractor started Dan out as a Project Engineer. Discovering his skills, natural talent and interest, he quickly progressed to Assistant Site Superintendent. As he aspires to pursue that passion on larger and more complex projects, Deneuve is pleased to welcome him as an excellent fit in that current and growing capacity. Dan’s free time is preferably spent with his wife, son and newborn daughter. For any additional moments of getaway time, he finds his way to the gym.
Gary Summerhays grew up in Northern Colorado and was fortunate to have a professor of Construction Management for a Scout Leader. He began his college studies at Colorado State University. After taking a couple years off of school to be a volunteer overseas in New Zealand, Gary decided to finish his schooling at Brigham Young University. While working in Utah and raising four children, he continued his love of the outdoors that was acquired in Colorado. Gary spent many days camping and riding ATV’s and snowmobiles with his kids. Gary’s commercial career began in 1999 as a project manager where he spent 4 years at a General Contractor before deciding to return to work as a superintendent in 2010. Gary has worked in 5 western states before returning to Colorado in 2022 as a superintendent for Deneuve.
Raised in Denver, John has been in Boulder County since the 70’s. He has worked his way up from a union carpenter taking college night classes to his project manager and supervisor positions. His varied expertise with projects large and small ranging from high rises in Denver to deluxe high end custom residences in Aspen and Denver feed his passion in building and construction. John works hand in hand with owners, architects and engineers and uses his knowledge and expertise to solve any problems which may arise. His goal is to take care of the project and let the owners sleep at night. He enjoys time with his family, sailing and racing at Lake Granby, and fishing when the winds are still.
Tate is one of our authentic mountain men. Born and raised in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, he is a perfect fit for our supervision staff in strong support of our always expanding mountain projects. His educational background includes Construction Engineering and Technology, and with 10 years + in the field, Tate has extensive experience managing Subcontractors and multiple crews, heavily focusing on site safety, and monitoring timeline schedules. If, and when, he is not on site 7 days a week, he enjoys fly fishing, shed hunting and volunteering at the local Ice Rink. Tate definitely thrives outdoors. He is an outstanding addition to the Deneuve Team.
Marcel is not a native Frenchman. He was born and raised in Southern California! He attended California State University, Long Beach, where he earned a Bachelors Degree in Construction Engineering Management in 2015. A few of his previous projects include: 200 Unit Mixed-Use Apartment Complex, University Science and Technology & Student Services Buildings, and a Public Works Sports Complex. In his free time Marcel enjoys watching the New England Patriots (!!) and the Anaheim Ducks. If there’s space, he’ll be jumping on the Avalanche bandwagon. As a backpacking enthusiast, his greatest outdoor achievement is thru-hiking the John Muir Trail, spending 19 days and traveling over 222 miles (Half Dome to Mount Whitney in the Sierra Nevada mountains).
Omar has been with Deneuve for 9 years. Starting as a laborer, Omar has earned his keep through his broad skillset in construction activities and his positive attitude. Recently re-positioned into Deneuve's Warranty Manager, Omar has become an asset towards Deneuve's customer service to ensure that the warranty process goes smoothly and efficiently. Omar enjoys his work/life balance by spending time with his son, Mason, playing soccer, reading, or attending concerts throughout the front range.
Lee began his career with Deneuve as a laborer performing many of the miscellaneous tasks that a construction site requires. Throughout his 4 year tenure here, his dedication, relationship-building, and hard work have gone noticed by Deneuve to the point that the company sponsored Lee through his furthered education of the Colorado State Construction Management Certification Course. As foreman, Lee enjoys the responsibilities of managing labor, logistics, and quality control on the jobsite. When Lee is not working, he spends time with his children and playing in his competitive softball leagues.
Originally hailing from Maryland, Alex recently graduated from Purdue University’s Construction Engineering and Management Program. As a student, he gained invaluable experience in the construction industry as an intern for a General Contractor in the greater Washington DC area. Having been born in Montana, Alex always knew he wanted to come back to the Rocky Mountain region, finally settling in Denver. When he is not on site or in the office, Alex enjoys attending Nuggets games, finding the right ski slope, or hiking with his girlfriend.
Born in Southwest Kansas but raised in both Colorado and Kansas, Scott quickly found out that he had love for the mountainous state of Colorado. Graduating from Fort Hays State University in Hays Kansas Scott quickly knew that he was wanting to make a return to his favorite state. Growing up his father was a civil engineer and after visiting his father at work and seeing all the construction equipment and talking to everyone, he found a lifelong desire to become something in the construction industry. He started out wanting to follow his fathers’ footsteps as a civil engineer, but after doing some research and finding out there was more options, he got intrigued by construction management. Even though he was not born and raised in Colorado Scott has always been very passionate and had love for the outdoors. He considers himself an adventurer and a big outdoorsman. He enjoys anything that involves the outdoors and when it warms up you can find him in a pair of waders and a fly rod in the middle of a creek or river. Scott is also very passionate about his family and friends and loves to spend time with them. When he is not in the mountains or doing anything outdoors, he likes to travel, go to concerts, workout, watch his favorite sports teams, and binge watch his favorite movies and T.V. shows. Scott is very uplifted and filled with joy to be a part of the Deneuve team, and yearning to obtain and absorb knowledge about the industry that he will carry with him throughout his career.
Paul is another coveted Colorado Native that was born and raised in Longmont. His extended educational pursuits did not lure him far from home, as he earned his Bachelors from CU Boulder in Environmental Design, and a degree in Construction Management from CSU. Best of both competitive worlds. That is called unbiased and well rounded. Upon graduation his skills focused mainly on extensive Multi-Family builds, which drew him to Deneuve. In Paul’s spare time he (interestingly) collects watches, is an avid bird watcher, and goes mountaineering.
Andriy is from Ukraine and earned a bachelor's degree in accounting at the National University of Food Technologies and a master's degree in management at Kyiv State Academy of Water Transport. In his new role at Deneuve, Andriy brings diversified experience having worked at an NGO, PEO, IT consulting, and painting company with over 20 years in accounting, finance, and management. Andriy speaks Ukrainian, Russian, and English, loves to travel, and enjoys spending time with family and friends.
6th generation Denver Native, Bo graduated from Purdue University’s Construction Management program. As a student intern, he worked on various commercial projects in the greater Denver area. Upon graduation he worked for a residential remodeling company, then decided to return to commercial construction. Bo is passionate about all Colorado sports teams, anything outdoors, and most importantly surrounding himself with his friends and family. Bo is looking forward to joining Deneuve Construction as a Project Engineer.
Trevor is from Indiana with a background in multifmaily and housing developments across Colorado, Texas, Florida and Indiana. After several states and moves, Trevor found Colorado to be home in 2019 and started on with Deneuve in 2023. Trevor graduated from Purdue University in 2017 with a BS in Construction Management. In his free time, he enjoys basketball, music production, hiking, traveling, home provement projects and spending time with his family. Fun fact about Trevor; he is a quadruplet!